admitted to 11 more crimes in it and there are two keys in the letter, number one, 11 fast and furious guns were found, at violent crime scenes, robbery, homicide, assault and number 2, they were found not in mexico, but in the u.s. sources say at least some of those guns were recovered in phoenix, and, el paso. now, the atf says it doesn't have specifics. my sources say that that is untrue. why? because when police filed a gun trace request there is a computer field and that is on the screen and the police agency says, describe the instances where the gun was found. where specifically, and so, atf and doj said that up until now, they didn't know, and when these instances come to light, martha, it is another embarrassing chapter, another story, crime victims potentially have claims against the government. martha? martha: what a mess. william, thank you very much. bill: brings us to the question here. you would think the men in charge of the operation would have been fired or at least reprimanded, right? guess again.