different quacks as you pointed out. we have to make a distinction there is some legitimate alternative medicines that have been around for a long time. st. john's wort is proven help against depression. steve mcqueen, if you remember mcqueen, he had stomach cancer and went to mexico for series of treatments and it killed him this story about jobs is true, it's another indictment to allow the stuff be advertise, beginning with the fact you can stop them from advertising. if it's not truth in lending. it's not. >> eric: absolutely right. especially with cancer. especially with pan creatic cancer, a lot of history in our family. tumor can grow but if it moves outside organ, mess tas tetizeed and -- me tasty size and then you're done. >> bob: why didn't he take the operation? >> kimberly: psychologically he had a hard time with the idea of cutting himself open.