they made conflicting statements. they tried to sell their stories. they had questionable pasts. it was just amazing to watch them fall like dominoes and you never know if that will happen in this case. bill buy you didn't have anybody, and correct me if i am wrong, testify before a grand jury that he has witnessed a crime. mcqueary testified in front of a grand jury. you didn't have anybody testifying in front of a grand jury that actually witnessed michael jackson molesting anybody, did you? >> yes, we have the brother of the accuser claimed he had walked up the stairwell and seen his brother being molested. we did have that. >> bill: okay. so you impeached every single one of them. that's what sandusky's attorney is going to have to do. he will have to knock them down one by one. >> well, remember in the world of michael jackson, there were so many con artists and exploiters and impostures showing up trying to take advantage of michael jackson. he was a best known celebrity. fabulously wealthy. some people would show up with their hands out trying to get something that we were able to not only knock over these witnesses one by one but show