my lead. >> sitting is that simple. the way we sit, we make like the letter c and in reality we are supposed to stretch our spine and we put too much pressure on our hips and we get more and more spasms. three -- 30% of all operations are actually due to back pain and, five times more hospitalizations due to back pan than almost anything else you can think of and the reality is it is easy to treat, get up, walk around, seeing your internist and back specialist if necessary. >> jamie: heat or ice? >> some of this is a natural part of life. and some is degenerative and, you have heard of spinal stenosis and not enough blood gets there and it could be neurologic and it could be, herniated disc and there are