>> bill: you are calling him a flip flopper and wishy washy guy. >> i'm calling him a panderer. >> bill: what is the equal access to justice act? what is that? >> that is an act signed by jimmy carter in 1980 to provide individuals and small groups and small profits the opportunity to sue the government for legal fees to recover illegal fees if they can demonstrate they have been proved -- they can demonstrate and prove that they have been wronged by the federal government. >> bill: so anybody, anybody who thinks the federal government hosed them could sue and how much was the government paid out under the equal access to justice act? >> that we don't have. we only have numbers going back to 2010. what gets. >> bill: two years. >> it's actually two years. >> bill: how much? >> in total, it's going to be somewhere around 5 to $6 million. which doesn't sound like a lot but most of that money is going to nonprofit