two developments today. we learn that had jay carney said nobody knew earlier. the president's lawyer and chief of staff knew earlier, can you put that together for us please? >> one thing lois learner is taking the fifth, as you mentioned which suggests an admission of guilt right there. but senator portman pointed out we've got more nonanswers than answers today. two people that should know about this steve miller and paul schuman testified in front of houses committee in march, 2012, that there wasn't any targeting and found out subsequently there was. then, for months, said nothing about it. and despite repeated requests for information in the form of letters that came from the committee. so... if you look at the way this is played out there was a lot of people involved in knew what is going on. i asked about whether or not there are conversation was the