>> and lenny working for god knows what contractor and pull down numbers and fund find out where people are and have been. >> but you don't know what numbers are attached to. >> believe me, these gnomes can do this kind of stuff. >> that's a fair criticism and that's why sand is squishy. i think it is something that you have to have extreme oversight for. >> overshane, how about the e-mail thing? whistle-blower now in china, i think. is saying that the nsa is taking e-mails. american e-mails and reading them and storing them. he you can't be for that, are you? >> of course not. i have a problem with all of this and i understand why kaerson is squishy about it because the administration might say it is handling this legally. this comes on top of an administration that says it would never target conservative groups, no data collection