that's important. >> chief force, how important is it to reach kids when they're young, before they start committing crimes. are you hoping maybe other ex-cons will do the same thing? >> well, far too often, anna. we see young people enter the criminal justice system and that churns away. they're in it, back out oift, in it, back out of it, if they can get that message early on and realize. and what mr. lawton brings to this is true credibility. i can sit and tell a kid how bad prison is going to be until i'm blue in the face. but when mr. lawton tells them, he's been there and knows that and brings credibility. >> in all the assemblies, it's great to see the two of you working together. michael and larry, thanks for your time today. >> thank you, anna. >> thanks for having us anna. >> larry will be honored on august 16. 56 minutes after the hour. next on the rundown,