operating much smaller numbers. we have a lot of knowledge about and they are not jihadists and they are not moderates -- i mean they are moderates, not extremists. the problem is and this is something again that the obama administration has brought us to by not supporting those more moderate elements we have left the field open to the jihadists. and if we continue to do nothing, they get stronger and stronger. >> we're getting weaker though. aren't we weaker though over the last 12 years? >> i think that's tremendous overstated. i know the argument and i have responded to it in a book where i have tried to explain why i don't think that we are in as much decline as people say. i would say we are much more in a decline of mood than an actual stats city. >> we have 63% of the country only participating in this economy in jobs today. we have black home ownership at lows that go back to the 1995. >> that's all true. >> people are hurting here. >> that's absolutely right.