>> crazy little path. >> yes. defunding obamacare doesn't have the support of the majority of the country contrary to what republicans are saying. a tiny fraction of people want to defund it. >> sometimes -- >> it hasn't launched and it is a nonstarter and should be. >> if you read the cbo report it will lead us into bankruptcy. sometimes life is not seen through the little bit call prism of whether or not people will be re elected. >> i don't see it that way at all. it's health care for people who need health care. >> -- limited government view this as a pivotal moment. either this party will stand in contra contrast. pat? >> sean, look. this obamacare appears to be the one red line that obama will go to the wall to defend. but, look, what's going on here?