will say that during this segment. >> let me ask you, the president said he won't negotiate the raising of the debt ceiling. >> yeah. >> is that responsible? >> i don't know of a single president who has. every president since before roosevelt has had a debt ceiling increase every year by the congress. none of them put anything on it except an increase of the debt ceiling. >> if a senator doesn't support them, what do you say about them? >> when obama said what he said about bush he was posturing, running for office. i don't want to increase the debt court of appeal ing. it's bad for the country, it's all politics. >> why shouldn't the republicans hold the line and say, fine, you get the debt ceiling increased but we want me sures so we don't have trillion dollar deficits. >> after what happened the last time they had the showdown the base ex expect s it and are demanding it. if republicans have a hope of winning, they have to stand firm. they can't cave again.