>> it involves massive taxpayer dollars. we're only seeing 20%. what about when the employer mandate kicks it? which is why they kicked it down the road. the encouraging thing is people are starting to wake up. they're starting to be able to critically analyze what they're being told. this provides the greatest hope for america. >> we do this thing every tuesday and our tweet the panel. steffen tweets about obama care and a lot of tweets are like this. what is the most effective, realistic way to replace obama care with something sensible? a lot of tweets about republicans have to come to the table with something specific. >> well, i've talked to a lot of people. there are a lot of specific, very good plans that cost a lot less and can cover everybody. but nobody wants to hear them. so we've got to create a forum where people actually want to hear these things with an open mind. they're out there, there's no question about it.