programs, not when obama did, but when they did the welfare reform act, there were very few people getting welfare checks. >> you're letting it grow exponentially without any test to decide whether or not it should be grown. if things are getting better in the economy like president obama likes to talk about, why is our welfare spending and all of the other redistribution of wealth programs expanding. >> women and infant children, money has gone down. head start money has gone down. what you're talking about is increasing medicaid. you're right about that, but i don't consider that welfare. do you consider that welfare in. >> i think unemployment insurance going from 26 weeks to 98 weeks and then maybe further is a redistribution/welfare program. almost tripling the food stamp program is a welfare program. if you are expanding the redistribution. you take the people who are earning and give to the people who need it. >> we have a semantics problem.