>> it is really -- it's like salt in the wound. the american people in the u.n. and hope. ly our people will remember on november 4 of 1979, 52 men and women, americans, were raped of their freedom, their dignity and their pride. that day, this individual along with other iranians burnt our american flag in front of us. i didn't see it. we were blindfolded. we were locked in a room for the next 400 days and now this individual wants to come to our country and live under the flag that so many people fought for. it hurts. patti ann: it's not clear what role he played in the crisis but he was there. does it matter? >> let's do a little role play. you and i rob a bank. you're driving the car. i go in and rob the bank. i come back out, get in the car and we get away. are you still involved in that robbery? >> oh, yes.