supporting mr. bundy are in his view domestic terrorists. >> senator reid yesterday you called mr. bundy and his supporters domestic terrorists. i thought we were trying to calm the situation down, so what did you mean by that? >> just what i said. >> talk to me a little bit more about that, senator, in the sense of what triggered the pullout? you're obviously privy to intelligence. what was it they were doing up there that would make you call them domestic terrorists? >> the cattle men association has a wonderful branch here in nevada. i met with them last week. they pay their taxes. they pay their fees, they follow the law. bundy doesn't believe that the american government is valid. he believes the united states is a foreign government. he doesn't pay his taxes. he doesn't follow the law.