it's interesting, every word i was listening to of the people she was interviewing there, those were words that triggered an irs investigation with lois lerner. those are keywords, right? >> absolutely. i know about the irs investigation. running for office against a powerful democrat in new york -- >> who were you running against? >> charles rangel. >> if only you won. >> yes, yes. >> you look at all that is happening. isn't the tea party the answer? i think conservative principles are the answer. to me it's simple, lower taxes, greater freedom, tap the energy resources, stop spending more than you take in. >> also, one of the things is overlooked is the national debt. i mean, the more that thing grows, the weaker we are. i think that what we're battling going back to paul harvey for this panel, i think that we are up against liberal is a culture and way of life and i think that