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don't repeal obamacare. improve it, for god's sakes. [ cheers and applause ] >> well it is a reverse image in town halls across the country. there you are in iowa, angry constituents venting about health care. this time it isn't the tea party but it's obamacare recipients. chris cillizza and jonathan capehart. we're seeing this represented around the country but what is the peril, if any, for republican office holders? >> well, the peril is when the other side's base is very energized, and that's what you see, people who are willing to take time out of their schedule and attend a town hall, whatever time of the day it is, that is a scary thing for the other side.
it's interesting, every word i was listening to of the people she was interviewing there, those were words that triggered an irs investigation with lois lerner. those are keywords, right? >> absolutely. i know about the irs investigation. running for office against a powerful democrat in new york -- >> who were you running against? >> charles rangel. >> if only you won. >> yes, yes. >> you look at all that is happening. isn't the tea party the answer? i think conservative principles are the answer. to me it's simple, lower taxes, greater freedom, tap the energy resources, stop spending more than you take in. >> also, one of the things is overlooked is the national debt. i mean, the more that thing grows, the weaker we are. i think that what we're battling going back to paul harvey for this panel, i think that we are up against liberal is a culture and way of life and i think that
it's interesting, every word i was listening to of the people she was interviewing there, those were words that triggered an irs investigation with lois lerner. those are keywords, right? >> absolutely. i know about the irs investigation. running for office against a powerful democrat in new york -- >> who were you running against? >> charles rangel. >> if only you won. >> yes, yes. >> you look at all that is happening. isn't the tea party the answer? i think conservative principles are the answer. to me it's simple, lower taxes, greater freedom, tap the energy resources, stop spending more than you take in. >> also, one of the things is overlooked is the national debt. i mean, the more that thing grows, the weaker we are. i think that what we're battling going back to paul harvey for this panel, i think that we are up against liberal is a culture
was listening to of the people she was interviewing there, those were words that triggered an irs investigation with lois lerner. those are keywords, right? >> absolutely. i know about the irs investigation. running for office against a powerful democrat in new york -- >> who were you running against? >> charles rangel. >> if only you won. >> yes, yes. >> you look at all that is happening. isn't the tea party the answer? i think conservative principles are the answer. to me it's simple, lower taxes, greater freedom, tap the energy resources, stop spending more than you take in. >> also, one of the things is overlooked is the national debt. i mean, the more that thing grows, the weaker we are. i think that what we're battling going back to paul harvey for this panel, i think that we are up against liberal is a culture and way of life and i think that it's, you know, that's why we're
tomorrow night, i'm ready to go. >> because he said he's disappointed that all the republicans he asked to come over are not coming. are you disappointed to not be going? >> no, like i said, if he wants me to go, i'll go tomorrow night. i will clear my schedule and make sure -- >> i'm telling you, you are invited. are you going to go tomorrow? >> i've been really please with what speaker boehner has been done the last couple weeks, and i won't do anything to step on his message. >> isn't the tea party being sidelined? honestly, for real, you are a rising star, a big volcanoes any party. boehner will meet with the president without you. how do you feel about it? >> i'm totally fine with it. >> in fact, some of us having disappointed that our speaker hasn't been strong enough in his negotiations, and i'm fully
government but that's what they have done. that's what they have done, anderson, they shut down the government because of their agenda, hay friday for the affordable care act. that is irresponsible, wreckless and unacceptable. >> john boehner was clearly frustrated. he said we have a divided government and put republicans in charge of the house. could democrats give in on? >> i think john boehner is frustrated and more frustrated, anderson, by his own caucus. i don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of that but he's sided with the far right, with the tea party within his caucus as you mentioned yourself, there are members of the republican caucus who want a clean sea arm and bring it to the floor. i hope they have the fortitude to do that. anderson, the democratic caucus we have tried to find a solution
ideological agenda, they hate the affordable care act. that is irresponsible, reckless and unacceptable. >> john boehner was clearly frustrated. he said we have a divided government, americans put republicans in charge of the house, why not try to negotiate, give in on something? is there something that the democrats could give in on? >> i think john boehner is frustrated and more frustrated, anderson, by his own caucus. i don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of that but he's sided with the far right, with the tea party within his caucus as you mentioned yourself, there are members of the republican caucus who want a clean cr and bring it to the floor. i hope they have the fortitude to press their leadership to do just that. anderson, the democratic caucus we have tried to find a solution
the people want, which is not shut down, the government and make fairness, apply to everyone when it comes to the affordable care act and senate democrats are not doing that. >> paul, what about that? is it the president's obligation to negotiate? >> well, of course, and he and his party have. now, i committed math. i was a liberal arts major, i committed math and looked it up. i looked at the original budget proposal. he asked for $1.2 trillion in discretionary spending and the house republican budget, congressman ryan and republicans wanted 967 so there was 230 billion separating them. the democrats are agreeing to 92% of the cuts. nancy pelosi talked about it. you could see the frustration. she has her caucus ready to vote for cuts they hate and ready to support. that is a huge concession. when you win 92% of the funding cuts you want, it's called a win and the tea party people, i don't know if they are too crazy or stupid or cruel but there is something wrong. they have a screw loose if they don't take the deal. >> rich, should the republicans take this deal?
would sign them one by one. >> is that anyway to govern? isn't the tea party and those who support you about fiscal responsibility, standing on principle. is that a principle stand? >> no, the best thing would be to pass a continuing resolution and keep the government open and honestly, that's what we're trying to do. over the last several weeks we've been trying to dialogue with the senate and with the president and it's hard to dialogue when they say my way or the highway. there has to be some give and take. that is the process. that's the process that's been adhere to for a couple hundred years that we all have different opinions and sit down at the table and work things out. i would hope senator reid would appoint a conference committee so they can work out the details and get a budget and get the government back open. >> those who support the white house position on this and democrat's position say look, this president of the united
>> well, of course, and he and his party have. now, i committed math. i was a liberal arts major, i committed math and looked it up. i looked at the original budget proposal. he asked for $1.2 trillion in discretionary spending and the house republican budget, congressman ryan and republicans wanted 967 so there was 230 billion separating them. the democrats are agreeing to 92% of the cuts. nan nancy pelosi talked about it. she has her caucus ready to vote for cuts they hate and ready to support. when you win 92% of the funding cuts you want, it's called a win and the tea party people, i don't know if they are too crazy or stupid or cruel but there is something wrong. they have a screw loose if they don't take the deal. >> rich, did the republicans take the deal?