horrified by it. they're attracted to it. another scary thing developing here. >> we've chatted about this before but i worry about the time they all decide, all these guys, let's unite, and let's join forces here. >> that's a big concern, neil. look isis is forming this caliphate in the heart of the middle east. every islamic terrorist organization wants the caliphate. there are differences between isis, al qaeda. they're fighting each other in some cases in syria, but at the end of the day, strength breeds attraction and isis is very strong, it's very successful, so as we go forward in 2015, we could see more and more terrorist groups line up behind isis. al qaeda might be tough to reel in. a lot of pride. they're long established. other groups may get on board with isis without a doubt. they all have the same goal. it's that caliphate and global domination. >> you know, i'm not sharing views on torture. it seems odd to me, you know,