ongoing scandal for her to appear there and joke about that and for journalists to laugh at the jokes, tells you pretty much what hillary clinton is counting on when it comes to her campaign which is -- when it comes to the establishment press at least, that she's going to get a very kid glove treatment. >> so to sum up, she's gotten away with it, and the press has no problem with that. do i have it about right chris? >> i think the press has a problem because they know ultimately that there will be not just the fox news channel but also there will be insurgent journalists, people who will ask the questions and will push it and they feel a certain obligation they've got to at least go through the motions on this. and when we start to see congressional subpoenas flying, there's going to be something else to cover. >> shannen tell me the best means now, because the government watchdogs are pushing to get her server, and so is trey gowdy's group in the congress, that's investigating benghazi, what is the best option for getting it? >> well, subpoenas are the best