this "new york times" piece that came out this morning. she is referring to specifically money from saudi arabia and from ukraine. >> sure. martha: what does that response tell you? >> it is going part of the way. candidly in a presidential campaign as somebody who was advisor to bill clinton, i would say stop taking money from foreign governments now, period. it is issue of appearance. even if they don't believe it is issue of substance. i don't think there is schonekasal link between contributions and policy, notwithstanding times attar kel and with politics and appearance an even propriety they should stop taking. >> isn't that not an admission then what you were doing in the past may have been unconnect call at very least. >> no, i don't think so. it is appearance -- martha: should have done appearance of conflict of interest when she became secretary of state if that was concern. >> she did and started taking money again, which to me there was mistake. martha: there were instances in the article money given to the foundation by this canadian