we want to get to the milwaukee county sheriff a voice of reason and has been outspoken on these issues from across the country. he is david clark. he joins us this morning from milwaukee, wisconsin. sheriff, thank you very much for being here today. >> morning martha. martha: you see these scenes and we're seeing more looting this morning. looks like the police got the situation under control but what we heard and saw on the streets of baltimore last night was that the police there were, by their own admission outnumbered and outflanked. how does that happen? >> total failure of leadership from the city of officials andce commanders. i'm tired of saying -- seeing our nation's finest, baltimore's finest put into these situations with no way to defend themselves. you can not put law enforcement officers into a riot situation and tie one hand behind their back with the main goal of not trying to escalate things. you meet force with force. that is only thing these rioters understand. there were 15 casualties on the police side. i haven't heard of one casualty
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