that. >> always, always. >> so we're going to watch and see where this is going. >> so let them investigate. let the chips fall where they may. >> is this good for joe biden or bernie sanders? >> it's good to be everybody. look. i think it's good hillary clinton has competition. if biden jumps in, that is great. if she wins with all of the competition, they can save the coronation. >> dnc has limited debate. is this an opportunity for her to clarify? >> of course, when she's facing other candidates she's going to have to answer these questions. you don't need as many debates as on the right because there are aren't 17,000 people. >> you think about this. at these dnc debates, if you have people following at 1%, 2%, 3%, they have nothing to lose.