>> bret: and its nationstates, it's not just russia, it's china, we have seen china with the opm, the personal management hack that left social security and identification vulnerable for some 20 million americans. >> the chinese have been coming at us for years. they have thrown the kitchen sink at us, for that matter. they are nowhere near at worrying in and staying in visual like the russians are. now, you are seeing other rogue nations like iran, syria, north korea, who have cyber attack capabilities because they have been trained by consultants from overseas and because they have downloaded various weapons that are available on the dark web forums that speak russian or chinese, for that matter. we need to really appreciate the fbi, the dni, the cia, and the dod, they are completely overwhelmed because that is portions of american cyberspace starting from your refrigerator that has a new wi-fi connection all the way through your corporate network, have backdoors in them, that have been put in the years before.