intrusive, big government. and with trump it's all the more salient, it's a new administration, still in somewhat of a building mode, unable to resist. and as you say, it's being stung pr the intelligence agencies, and as you said, the epa employees who were trying to lobby against the guy who was sworn in to head the epa today. >> some of these agencies are going to feel under direct attack. when you have the president signing things like executive orders that say for every new regulation that we get from the administrative bodies you have to get rid of two. those are things that take away their power f they work, if they're implemented. and carried out. >> well, that's the paradox, you have to get the same people to carry out a weakening of their own new powers. for that you need a president with a lot of public support. this president has the two hows of congress with him, so this is an opportunity to do that.