deal and don jr. is a part of it. if it's not illegal is that okay? no. >> guilt until proven innocent. that is the exact opposite of what the prosecution prosecution says. >> is he guilty of lying? yes. we know he lied. >> is that illegal? this was -- the fog of the campaign, things are happening, a million miles an hour, nobody expected president trump to get to where he was. he himself was shocked and surprised. when you have. >> maybe the russians did. >> this is what happens. ainsley: sascha, he didn't do anything criminal. it wasn't criminal meeting with the russian lawyer. >> does that mean you think it's okay? whether or not it's legal, the facts of the story are that don jr. was approached saying the -- this was part of the russian government's efforts to help your father. a russian government lawyer is coming over to give you dirt on h.r.c. >> is that the democratic party looking for dirt on donald trump with the ukrainians, it's the exact same thing. >> i hear what you are saying