star-spangled banner, what i'm saying is very precise, neo-confederates made it that so why is that, what does that tell us? that tells us that racism has been somehow -- hinges or has affected our notions of public memory and patriotism. >> tucker: if i'm with my kids at a baseball game singing it should i keep in mind the wackos 80 years ago who also liked it? why is that relevant and does it, in fact, evaluate devalue it, why is that useful to know? it's irrelevant in any that i can understand. >> that's like saying it's irrelevant that we have a memorial to confederate war heroes. >> tucker: no, it's not because the confederate memorial is inherently controversial. the star-spangled banner has no reference to race, it's an american song. there's nothing racist about the song itself you are trying to introduce in the public consciousness this idea that there is something inherentlynct racist. >> i'm trying to remind people of the history of how this came about and saying this is relevant to the controversy we have today.