not go around hiring political opposition research firms. this is an unusual situation. >> jeanine: clearly if there is investigative reporters, they wouldn't subcontract someone. byron, stay with us. i also want to ask -- fox news contributor charlie hurt and matthew slap. i will go to you first, matt. what is your take on the information that byron had just released this evening? >> there's been a lot of smoke around this for a long time. i give byron great credit. it just seems like there is almost an access of political evil here. people willing to do almost everything to stop donald trump. bill kristol, we've all debated throughout the last two years. he was a prominent never trumper. paul singer, how did it move