head to all of this.an i also thought it was important, too, our correspondent says -- our intelligence says not only was trump's team told that flynn will not be talking to them or cooperating, other teams were, too. c so anybody, anything to do with the investigation was told by the flynn camp we're not going to be talking to you again. jonathan, i just wanted to b bring that up to round it out. here's the other thing. i'm just wondering in the big picture if somebody like mueller would ever give flynn a deal or start too negotiating if he didn't't know what he was capable of giving up. does he really not know? is there a chance that mike flynn has nothing to give to mueller and mueller just needs to find that out or does mueller know? >> usually before you get into serious negotiations you will put forward a thing called a proffer or you will give some type of informal understanding that you have something to offer. now, proffers are usually for an immunity agreement. but you do the same type of thing in saying i do have deliverables here. it is possible that mueller doesn't really have a good idea of what he could offer. what is clear is that he was involved in a couple of the