mr. avenatti was trying to make a whole to do of the and/or and it was in the conductive and the parties should have been reversed. he is finding every technical argument possible, none of them are going to fly. and then he starts mentioning california law as if there's something mysterious about california law that they define the and or differently than we do in new york. i looked at the california law and the california law is very clear that it's either or. either ec, lcc could have entered into it. dd could have entered into it or both. michael cohen wanted to have the opportunity if he wanted to show it to donald trump, if he wanted to show the agreement to him, he had the opportunity to do so. which also answers the question he didn't show it to him. >> shannon: that is my question. when did the president know