that's not what i said last week so she has to answer those questions. you can funnel that through the white house office and have that be ethical and fine. >> shepard: here's what i didn't know about this and still don't. did rudy guliani go off script and say things he didn't mean to say because he was in a friendly environment on television with a good friend or was that part of a new strategy that nobody else knew anything about? i don't know. >> that's part of the mystery and part of the fun they have with us every day. i think it was planned. because it wasn't -- sean hannity didn't even ask the question. >> he said didn't know that. he said i'm telling you something you don't know. >> shepard: well, i mean, they communicate a lot is a known known. if sean didn't know, i don't know. if sean didn't know, maybe only a very small group knew. >> i said from the beginning and they made a different decision, but i think that a good model for this situation, what has been what the clinton administration did with lanny