fowler and daily wire editor in chief ben shapiro. great to have you both here tonight. there has been opposition from the left and the right. let's talk about that. senator rand paul, who has said there's no way he's going to vote for her has said this in an op-ed. there's no question that during her career haspel participated in and helped develop the program that our own government has labeled torture. further, multiple accounts discuss our involvement in destroying video documentation of the torture programs. he says direct participation in the program itself would be disqualifying enough for me but appointing someone who also helped push for destroying evidence destroying one of the most powerful organizations in the world should not be acceptable to congress. then connect >> this seems to me a dramatic mystery. if you're going to rule out anyone who was working at the cia at the time this is going down and who was going along with the waterboarding -- members of congress, democrats and republicans both approved at the time. people in the cia across the board were involved in this