president weigh in, in this scenario? >> i think that is true. i think trump is biting at the bit to get in front of mueller and to say what he wants to say, which is there is no collusion and he did not conspire with the russians to try to affect the 2016 campaign. as a matter of fact, the election in his mind has been thwarted by the fact that there has been the accusations that there has been some sort of an explanation why he won over hillary clinton. so he wants to get in front of the press and he wants to get in front of mueller and he wants to get in front of anybody to tell his side of the story. the problem is that it's the little things that are gotchas which is what his lawyers are afraid of. >> arthel: but if the president just keeps to the facts, and the truth, then there will be no gotchas. >> well, the gotchas would be things like for example, paul manafort. when did he know that paul