it's a health issue for the individuals that we're talking about that were homeless, that were urinating, defecating, using drugs, whatever. this is a difficult issue that needs to be addressed. and by the way, it can't just be on the city of seattle, the city of san francisco, the city of los angeles. this really requires federal resources. not all of these homeless people are local. they are coming from other parts of the country. but because you can live through winter on the west coast, this is a safe place to shelter. >> one analyst points out that in 2005, seattle launched a 10-year program to rid homelessness, and now the numbers the higher. >> well, the problem -- let's get to the root cause here. cost of housing. we have a nationwide shortage of