where when you're eating dinner, one puts the phone in the basket and it goes there and after dinner you can pick it back up. i think that cell phones are unhealthy. i'm trying to do less online. >> you don't have a twitter account. >> it's the healthiest thing i've done. >> twitter is a mean place. >> very mean. >> get outside, do things. put down your phones. >> and a beautiful outdoors. how can we do that without our camera? >> and the love in each other's eyes for not making eye contact. >> i don't know. i think everything else has to do with setting boundaries and parents behaving by them. i have my phone with me a lot, but we put it to the side. we have rules in our house that you can't -- the kids are not allowed to take technology out of the living room. >> your children are the same age as mine.