to the white house with obama that would like these guys are thugs they talk about gangsters and use the n word. i thought boy this is crazy. now they put their arms around kanye, obviously this is political expedience. it's not about substance. that's the key. i'm someone who does get beat up because i have my own opinion. they are what i think. i will tell you. i don't try to obey any orthodoxy. when it came to kanye, i don't know exactly what the agenda or substance was other than promoting kanye and talking about his ego and his desire to have trump as a father. >> all right. it felt to me like there was serious substance there. >> like what. name one thing. >> on family. [inaudible] hang on. absolutely he was. his own family, not to mention everyone else's, how much that has hurt him. it was deeply emotional. that's what we should be talking about in politics on welfare and business and entrepreneurship and crime. these are serious issues.