you. >> two octobers ago this president put forth an immigration plan. in january we put forth four pillars we wanted to stand by and explained to the american people how dangerous the situation is. the democrats said there was no crisis or danger to the american people. then the caravans and convicted criminals in the caravan, terrorists in the caravan, and now all of a sudden the democrats are nowhere to be found. he wants to have this conversation transparently out in the open. democrats don't want it. they know they're on the wrong side of the american people adhering to their radical left base and also some of the special interest groups that pad their pockets every election year. >> sandra: the president needs a chief of staff and we have been following this. we know who has been in and who is out. where do things stand this morning? who is on the short list? >> look, the president said yesterday with the newly elected governors in the cabinet room for all the world to see that he had about five people he was considering.