better than expected finish in iowa or new hampshire, i think you'll start to see a shake out of a top three to five candidates after the first couple primaries and caucuses. >> arthel: interesting. back to you, chaffin. the president is a fighter. he can pack a political punch against the best of them. so whoever steps in the ring with him has to be strong that said, how much time do you think the democrats have before they can come together meeting of the mind to assess who has the better chance of beating president trump? >> i agree with you. i a see with zach. a lot of candidates have staying power. i don't think anyone will come together and i don't think there will be a meeting of the minds. this is a unique opportunity for democrats running for president. so that's why you see so many people getting in the race. as a republican consultant, joe biden is one of the stronger candidates. i think he will probably wind up being one of the last candidates heading into the convention if