the same thing is happening there. all of a sudden you have biden, saying "let's build on the aca and make it more medicare for all," because he wants to have a government by end. that's more conservative, too conservative for this party again. you have that as a conservative measure or this medicare for all bill. if you want to build on biden's health care plan, the public is actually saying they want an option to buy in. if you want to build on it, fine, but it needs to be strong as long as he maintains that private market. i think we can build in on that as long as you focus on reining in cost, which no one is talking about. not harris, not sanders, except president trump. he's the only one -- >> dagen: i want to get back to the democrats on that stage attacking president obama. they need to step away from their boiling cauldron of idiocy. [laughter] i said this every day, there are 4.4 million voters who voted for president obama in 2012, who did not come out to the polls in