just weeks before an election? >> dagen: because it is not serious, and the fact that we are sitting here talking about it gives energy to it. what do you do when there is a 3-year-old child throwing a temper tantrum in the middle of a cocktail party eating toilet paper for attention? you ignore that child, because if you give that child attention, it's only going to get worse. i stand by that comparison. >> gillian: want to make sure that we get meridian to get some perspective from the other side, not putting words in anyone's mouth, but sounds like dagen and charlie are saying this is a political stunt, so say why not? >> marie: you cannot ignore the 3-year-old throwing temper tantrums when he is president. i think there arguably times where president trump has not seemed like he was still in control, and we can talk about covid and whether he would have