could preach any time other than sunday mornings. and so with that i resigned. so -- you tell me whether i was forced out or resigned. >> doesn't sound like a happy parting of the ways. >> not really, no. >> robert a.'s daughter is even more blunt. >> when you mix faith, family and fame, it's a toxic combination. people start vying for positions of power and i think that's what led to the crystal cathedral crumbling. >> celebrate afternoons -- >> reporter: robert a. schuller runs a successful christian network with his son-in-law, which they purchased from unification church. robert a. schuller can envision a day when crystal cathedral may not have a schuller at the helm. >> nothing lasts forever. there is a season for everything under heaven, it says, a time to be born and a time to die. >> it is one thing to read that in the gospel. quite another thing -- >> to live it, yeah.