some might look at that number and say 60% are checked out. i would say, whoa, 40% are paying close attention. and you look in the numbers, and by the way they're split right down the middle whether it should be used, and it goes to this more people are paying attention in the 21st century. i go back, did the house leadership miss the last nine months of this debate? >> well, you know, look, at the end of the day, they need to get a bill passed. everybody recognizes right now on the democratic side what a disaster it would be for the presidency and the rest of the agenda if they don't get it passed. i think by hook or by crook they're going to try to get it passed. as you know, the president's pollster, joel beninson, has come out with findings that a lot of people, particularly independents, are even more upset by these process questions than they are ultimately -- >> not the way washington works. >> exactly. right. >> do you think -- obviously republicans have been threatening that if the democrats use reconciliation, if they do deem and pass, i mean, everything's going to change,