what this is about where you've got five states, including the district of colombof columbia, couples married. can they let them treat this differently? i'll tell you what the approach is, this is a question that seems much harder to defend, right? that you've got couples that are married under state law. this goes back to part of what attorney general cokely was saying. they were interfering with the state's own decision about the couples they want to see getting married. so i don't think that we should make any quick assumptions about how the court would decide this case. there are federal issues in this case to. >> tobias wolf, thank you for joining me on set. >> you bet. >> constitution-loving, deficit-loathing conservatives. which do you love more, small government or the security of knowing there's a spigot on of cash pouring into our bloated