overstep on to their territory of sort of releasing prisoners. you know, the back room politics in iran are more complicated even than in say hicago, but hopefully what we'll see is the release of this young woman who has been really held unjustly for all this time. >> can you tell me what iran ins by keeping these three hikers? i mean why not just release all of them? >> well, remember, this is a panoid regime and it's also a very fractured regime and so in their view, keeping americans hostage is sort of a bargaining chip against the united states. and it's also, frankly, a bargaining chip inside the iranian system, again that these conservative powers use against each other. we can't sortit of look at it a though it were sort of an american situation where we believe in the rule of law. >> but you know, i mean they've been there since july 2009. it would seem as if the u.s. does not bgain in a situation to what extent is the u.s. state