hillary clinton's political career and he was her chief sort of adviser. but he came in and says you know i spent an hour and a day studying this economy. >> i believe him. >> i believe him on that and probably spends an hour a day finding out what's going on with arkansas politics and california politics and florida politics. >> mark, your thoughts, as well, because i think his touch now is back to perfect. i think he was off touch obviously 2008. it was a very difficult time to have your spouse running, you couldn't be the candidate. you had to be the enforcer. didn't quite click. your thoughts about how he's doing now? >> a lot of times when i would run into him in 2008, he would say i'm rusty and it's true a lot of politics have changed. the internet, so much of the technology now that drives politics who were not around when he was a candidate. he still as rusty guy he's still better than everybody else and he's clearly not really engaged in the politics of all of this when he ran -- when he was helping campaign for other democrats in the midterms. >> right. how does he connect with the net roots, that point, mark? does he help them support obama,