is deficit reduction through entitlement reform. everybody is motivated to do it. it's just a matter of getting -- >> hold the phone, hold the phone. >> mark just said the president doesn't care about getting reelected. >> i didn't say that. i said he's not afraid of losing because of deficit reduction and -- >> i think he's shown that. >> he'll have to have republicans on board to do it. >> if that was the case, the budget he proposed yesterday would have looked very, very different. >> no. he's decided the republicans have to go first after demagoguing on medicaid. >> yes. he's doing exactly what you said he should, joe. show me what you got. show me what you got. >> do the republicans ever really get there? >> no. >> or is this just a lot of hot air. >> we'll find out. >> they have to get there. they have to get there. that's what they ran on. >> we have no choice. we have no choice. medicare, medicaid, social security. >> yeah, but you talk about punting. the republicans have punted for the last year on all of these issues.