create jobs, corporate tax cuts create jobs. wage and benefit jobs, regulation killing creates jobs, and regulations kill jobs. secretary reich joins us, and author of "aftershock" along with editor of talking points memo josh marshall. two smart people. robert, you say what we were taught in school. is there somebody teaching something else? if i want people to spend more money, you give them more in wages or whatever, you don't fire them and leave them as pulpers, because they're not good consumers then. you fire people, take away their rights, take away their ability to spend their wages, what is this religion course, a primer we're getting from kantor? is it knee other classical from the 19th century? >> well, i think, chris, it does come from the early part of the 20th century right before the great depression you had economists talking exactly like eric cantor is talking, but we