speculators push the price of oil a little bit higher when it was $50 a barrel? isn't the progressive argument actually that what we would ideally like to see is a pretty hefty government tax on oil? and on gas as you have in europe? so that the economy gets used to more expensive, i would say more realistically priced oil. >> so aren't the koch brothers doing us a favor, lee? >> i wouldn't agree with that. speculation is healthy because it locks in prices and provides stability to the market. but i fundamentally disagree with that. i'm against fossil fuels. i don't want all of the -- >> you're against fossil fuels? >> dependent on our economy ksh-economy dependent on them. however with the surging prices you are killing the recovery. you are not only hufrting consumers at the pump. you are hurting small business. the middle class. we are talking about excessive speculation. the law passed last year had