lobbyist. every corporation, everything you can think of has a lobbyist in washington going up to the ways and means committee, getting semicolon put in the bill that helps them. our tax structure is absurd. how is it no one sat down -- hedge funds, they pay taxes at a capital gains rate, not an income tax rate. >> it's insane. >> it is nuts that no one sits down and reforms the entire system. >> it is nuts. >> i have to tell you, joe, the one place where i think you are a little off base. it's not hard to find editorial writers or op-ed columnists calling for entitlement reforms. it's not a hard thing to find. it's almost as received wisdom, conventional wisdom.