work again to alleviate some of the tremendous suffering out there. >> one of the things back on the table in terms of discussions is a pseudo-version which pays private companies to hire existing -- people who are unemployed now for training purposes, something that was successful, championed by a lot of republican governors. >> right, there was a lot of bipartisan support for that. one of the problems with that and the president's infrastructure proposals to date is that they are too small given the scale of our employment problem. it's not a problem, it's really a crisis. i mean, we really need something huge, but i don't think that it's in the cards, and then towards the latter part of this year, year going to start talking again about deficit reduction, and austerity is exactly what you don't need right now. i think we're in for hard times for a long time.