campaign event. but she is marrying up a priority issue that she cares about with an initiative, the american jobs act that is critically important to the president. >> they said it wasn't a campaign event. and governor mcdonald, my interview yesterday as head of the governor's association, there with his wife. so you know officially it wasn't a campaign event but everything they do now is within that political prism. >> sure. you will look through everything in the next year, through the lens of politics. yet the policy doesn't go away. when you are a sitting president and sitting first lady, that is primarily what you are responsible for. but i think you know, she does a lot to humanize the president. every first lady, can do that for president. they are the closest person to them. they can humanize their struggles, particularly as a war time president. >> and her strengths as well in terms of reaching out to women and key groups independent voters, who have been softening. her popularity is up with